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steampunk and Native Americans

I am writing this as an addendum to the piece that GD Falksen wrote recently, about Native Americans and the Old West as they relate to steampunk.

Most people seem to think of the Old West as happening long before the Victorian era. While the heyday of the West might have been before Queen Victoria’s coming-into-power, that was not the end of the Old West, nor of Native American culture. The concept of the date of the decline of the Old West really is up for debate to be honest...the Removal Times were in the 1830's (Queen Victoria did not sit on the thrown until 1837...the same year that many of the tribes suffered Removal)...almost every tribe having had their own "Trail of Tears" in those years around then.

Many people also say that there is no connection to the Victorian era and Native Americans and the Old West. But, this is not true at all. The Victorian Era might be said by some to be relegated to Britain only, but steampunk is a world that is not relegated to Victorian Britain...just as there were technological advancements in England, steam, gas light, electricity and other technologies were also dawning in societies all over the globe. Steampunk (to me) is not about Victorian England, but the what if? of how a society might have looked if it had our devices built with their understanding and technology (steam, gas light, etc). While some people may desire to keep their own alternate history of the late mid 1800's - early 1900's in England, I feel that this thought process limits the colorful (and creative) possibilities in constructing an alternate reality. Point of note about why not to relegate steampunk to England (in my opinion)- Nikola Tesla is name renowned in the steampunk community...but he never lived in England...he was born in and studied in eastern block countries, and moved to America in the late 1800's. Relegating steampunk to Britain and the refusal of outside cultures might well remove Tesla's discoveries from steampunk. (but I digress).

On top of that, there is a direct link between Native Americans and England's fascination with them (with actual documented proof dating as far back as the 1600's...the story of Tisquantum [aka Squanto] comes to mind).

In the mid to late 1800’s (circa 1870’s), William Cody (who later came to be known as Buffalo Bill) started up a traveling show called Buffalo Bill’s Wild West Show. Largely, it was as much a misrepresentation of the “wild west” as any dime novel, and merely a capitalistic venture on his part- to exploit his own past experiences in the form of entertainment for those on the east coast who never had the chance (or desire) to actually go experience it for themselves, and who would soon lose any chance to experience it at all.

In 1886, he was presented with an opportunity, to travel with his Wild West Show to Europe. The show traveled all over Europe, starting in England and going as far East as Greece. While in Britain, Queen Victoria is known herself to have attended at least one show. To prove how much interest there was for all things Native American, this was the first public appearance of the queen since her husband died ¼ of a century earlier.

GD Falksen included a collection of photos of Natives in his post, I have added some more. In the second photo, you can see that as late as 1924 (the year of this photo), there are people still wearing their traditional tribal “pre contact” clothing. This gives you some more examples of how traditional clothing (and hair) was still worn, how European clothing was adopted, and how it was inter-mixed. I've included pics of tribal people from all over (Pacific NW, Canada, northeast, southeast, southwest, plains...couldn't find Aztec or Mayan photos from circa 1900)




I couldn't resist putting this in here...lol


photo taken in 1924


painting of Chief Joseph Brant - circa late 1700's (Mohawk)


Hopi woman

Mvskoke folks


Oglala man


Ojibwe men


Tlingit men

Note that in the photos with multiple people...not all of them wear traditional tribal clothing, nor have all of them opted to convert to European clothing styles.

Except for the painting of Chief Joseph and the photo mentioned with the date of 1924, all photos are credited in the late 1800's through early 1900's.

Comments

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[info]trav13369 wrote:
Sep. 20th, 2009 07:49 pm (UTC)
Yes, "Wild, Wild West" (yes, even the movie) is considered steampunk, with the steamtech and gadgets, so yes, the genre went outside Victorian England.

As did "The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr." and "Legend"
[info]lucv_cate wrote:
Sep. 20th, 2009 08:31 pm (UTC)
I loved Legend...more so than Brisco
[info]jaborwhalky wrote:
Sep. 21st, 2009 02:11 am (UTC)
Wild wild west is one of the few true Steampunk shows and films out there.
[info]valarltd wrote:
Sep. 20th, 2009 07:55 pm (UTC)
I find it interesting that the Mvskoke group includes one who is black. And I love the Objibwe priest with a rifle. It just looks so incongruous.
[info]joecloudheart wrote:
Sep. 20th, 2009 08:27 pm (UTC)
It wasn't that uncommon for blacks and Native Americans to mix. In fact, many Native Americans kept blacks as slaves throughout the midwest and South up until the Emancipation Proclamation. This is not widely known, but the mixing of the two was not entirely uncommon, especially among the Cherokee.
[info]lucv_cate wrote:
Sep. 20th, 2009 08:54 pm (UTC)
and, they may have all been lumped in together as "Muscogee" when in actuality that may not have precisely been the case.

Many Seminole are very dark in appearance, sometimes looking almost black. Seminole, up until a certain point (I've not seen a decisive date) were part of the Creek Nation. In fact, the word "seminole" means "runaway, renegade" in Creek.

And yes, they (as well as many tribes and nations, did marry and have children with blacks. One example is Mark, pictured in the Neo-Victorian Fashion Show advertisement a few entries before this one. He is the one on the right, in the brown smock. He is black and Seminole (maybe some other as well...but I forget at the moment)
[info]katastrophy23 wrote:
Sep. 20th, 2009 08:03 pm (UTC)
"Wild, Wild, West" is definitely steampunk, that was my favorite show as a kid. Buffalo Bills grave is fun out here in Colorado. Great post I love all the pictures.
[info]lucv_cate wrote:
Sep. 21st, 2009 02:12 pm (UTC)
thank you. I am watching all the old Wild Wild West episodes as we speak (well, I am awaiting Netflix to send me disc 4)
[info]joecloudheart wrote:
Sep. 20th, 2009 08:25 pm (UTC)
I have never thought of steampunk as being relegated just to British anything. The British influenced other cultures around the globe throughout the 19th century. America was no exception, even though it was no longer a colony.

Mainly I think of steampunk and NeoVictorian aesthetics as having broad range, mixing old and new, old with technological hints. Right now I am experimenting with the possibility of mixing Hawaiian fabrics into such designs, but we'll see where that winds up.
[info]cosmorama wrote:
Sep. 20th, 2009 11:21 pm (UTC)
I'm into hawaiian history, but never thought about hawaiianish steampunk before, but the hawaiian monarchy had a very strong victorian influence. You can see this in the Iolani Palace. It'll be interesting if you could pull it off.
[info]lucv_cate wrote:
Sep. 20th, 2009 11:25 pm (UTC)
I'm interested in seeing it
[info]attilia_auborne wrote:
Jan. 2nd, 2010 05:15 am (UTC)
I've just stumbled upon this conversation, but I am also planning a Hawaiian Steampunk costume. It would be interesting to compare notes.
[info]squirrelmadness wrote:
Sep. 20th, 2009 08:27 pm (UTC)
Wonderfully put sir! I'm honored to have such a fine article as a companion piece to my recent discussion. Though I must say that you sell yourself short when you say that this is simply "an addendum": this is an excellent piece in its own right and it more than stands on its own.

And you are quite correct: as I try to remind people, any nation or culture that existed in the 19th and early 20th centuries can conceivably be placed in a steampunk context. We refer to steampunk as "Victorian science-fiction" because it's quick and easy, and most people have some sense of when that was and what sort of technology was being used at the time. But when it comes down to it, something need not be based in England or indeed any part of Europe in order to be steampunk.
[info]lucv_cate wrote:
Sep. 20th, 2009 08:38 pm (UTC)
I guess I misquoted my thoughts. Your discussion was one that is the main reason that Wm and Cindy asked me to be on panels at D*C... especially the Weird West panel.

I wrote a response or two to that piece you wrote. But later thought about it and realized there were things I wanted to address that I have encountered, that I had not...so I wrote this piece.
[info]dmp wrote:
Sep. 21st, 2009 12:50 am (UTC)
Thank you for writing this! I've been quite please to read the multicultural posts here on steamfashion as of late, and I'm glad that you've taken the chance to add to the discussion -- it can't all fall on G.D.! ^-~
[info]quantumcat3 wrote:
Sep. 21st, 2009 02:44 am (UTC)
I wish I could remember title and author but there is a book set in an alternate history that posits a very different scenario for Native Americans in the nineteenth century.

Its premise hinges on two things: a consolidation of various aboriginal nations and an application of period technology.

(For example,treaties were recorded orally on wax cylinders as well as written contracts.

Telegraphs and drums were both used to keep communications open from Washington to Wyoming.)

Like A. Bertram Chandler's Kelly Country and Mark Twain's saga of the Conneticutt Yankee,this novel doesn't permit its changes in the timeline to make things too perfect for its characters.

A steampunk scenario could explore the ramifications of the "roads not taken" and how the use of cutting edge science and solidarity could take the various "savages" of the days of empire and insure their freedom and the preservation of their culture.

(Think of dirigibles staging evacuations before oppressors could attack with the intent to murder or enslave.)

Perhaps,the sight of a few steampunk Indians in tear dresses,ribbon shirts,banyans,turbans,jingle dresses,patchwork skirts and other such garments will help people see real individuals with distinct cultures rather than the ersatz "redskins" that populate costume shops and the ranks of team mascots.



[info]lucv_cate wrote:
Sep. 21st, 2009 01:58 pm (UTC)
funny you should mention turbans and such,....a turban is a traditional Mvskoke (and Tsalagi) headwear...I plan on incorporating that when I finally make one.
[info]lucv_cate wrote:
Sep. 22nd, 2009 02:47 pm (UTC)
thank you.

I'd been shown how to wrap one, as well as create one that doesn't need to be wrapped every time. I just need to tinker to remember how to do it, and get around to doing it.
[info]marasei wrote:
Sep. 21st, 2009 03:06 am (UTC)
Very interesting. It makes sense, since such outfits like the ribbon dresses we have around here were made because we didn't have a lot of materials. So the settlers would give us scraps of material in trading scenarios and then they were added to dresses as embellishments. But interesting point overall.
[info]hecubuscathead wrote:
Sep. 21st, 2009 03:47 am (UTC)
Excellent, excellent essay and point, thank you! :D
[info]lucv_cate wrote:
Sep. 21st, 2009 02:10 pm (UTC)
thank you..you are welcome

mvto
[info]pathology_doc wrote:
Sep. 21st, 2009 07:53 am (UTC)
While some people may desire to keep their own alternate history of the late mid 1800's - early 1900's in England, I feel that this thought process limits the colorful (and creative) possibilities in constructing an alternate reality

True. Though for many people, particularly those in the former British Empire, it's also the most useful starting point with respect to setting Steampunk within its proper temporal and technological context. The cultural context, as you've made clear, is almost without bound or limitation.

The only limitation I can think of is that nomadic peoples who want to stay nomadic seem less likely to produce technology based on relatively immobile heavy industry, although that doesn't stop them being purchasers and users (and possibly designers) of it. Nor does it preclude them developing small and sophisticated things that can make the difference between successful and failed outcomes for whoever's got the need and the money to buy.
[info]lucv_cate wrote:
Sep. 21st, 2009 02:09 pm (UTC)
One thing I did not bring up here, because it was brought up in GD Flaksen's post, is that my Ancestors were (and we are) great adapters of things we find that we think and/or feel could be useful and productive.

I guarantee you that they would have been using a Zippo right along with flint&steel if they had it...they would have been using coolers if they had them...they did incorporate the horse- which changed the Buffalo Hunt,...the gun changed EVERYTHING about how Natives and Europeans interacted (it wasn't until the Europeans and guns that they even began to think about actually killing someone).

So, I do not think of the nomadic tribes as having this limitation. Heck, what better way to exist than to not waste time inventing something...just follow the pathleaders and take what they find- Bang-- yu got the technology but you didn't have to waste your time or resources .

[info]lacrima1 wrote:
Sep. 21st, 2009 06:40 pm (UTC)
Thanks for pointing this out - the fact is that our ancestors were highly practical people who would quickly see the worth in modern technology and adapt it to suit them. One of the examples I can think of is that in my own tribe, the women traditionally wore skirts made of woven tule mats or deerskin. Once they were introduced to cotton calico, they never looked back. The new fabric offered an array of bright colors, and was much easier to work with than tule (I've woven tule mats myself - it is a long process, and gathering tule is a hot, sweaty job). It was also easily obtainable year round through trade, rather than having to wait for harvest season or a successful hunt.

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[info]lucv_cate wrote:
Sep. 21st, 2009 02:10 pm (UTC)
you are welcome...thank you

mvto
[info]kittiethedragon wrote:
Sep. 21st, 2009 03:20 pm (UTC)
People shouldn't forget that, honestly, the West was a strong concept and reality into the 40's and 50's. There are still hints of it today and some parts it isn't unusual to see a gun strapped to a belt and no-one the antsier. Of course, in some parts, the War of Northern Aggression never ended and ya'll Yanks gotta thing or two t'learn ;)
[info]mlleviolet wrote:
Sep. 21st, 2009 08:28 pm (UTC)
It's worth remembering that indoor plumbing and electricity didn't reach most of rural America until the 1930s. The West is not what it once was but horses and dogs are still working animals in some places. There are some jobs only horses can do. My friends who live in a rural area (who only got an indoor toilet in the 1980s) told me that when they wanted to remove huge pieces of slate from the forest, they had to use draft horses because tractors couldn't maneuver through the woods.

Removal of Native Americans over the centuries has changed the nature of the West quite a bit, though.
[info]shonasheastwood wrote:
Sep. 22nd, 2009 04:10 am (UTC)
Wow. What a fabulous article.

(I also love Brisco County, Jr. and Wild Wild West)
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